You have just entered room ÒMac GamesÓ Golum1: hey spidweb! AFL Rod: evening Jeff Fsccr99: He's Here! AFL Rod: any speed I think. Golum1: i am currently designing a blades scenario now Suruga528: Greetings, SpidWeb, err.. Jeff. Golum1: jeff vogel? AFC Kryten: Hi Jeff. Fsccr99: Hey Jeff!(Oh great one of the SpidWeb). Suruga528: I wrote a Blades scenario once.. It was, admitedly, horrible. Golum1: lol Golum1: i know what that's like AFL Rod: formal chat will start in about 5 or 10 minutes Golum1: i just learned how to use flags Fsccr99: ok cool AFL Rod: how did your other chat go jeff? CamoBoy: hey jeff when did you do an interview for macaddict? Golum1: <---wonders why they won't do a blades sequel Fsccr99: Ya what month is the Issue in. SpidWeb: Hi ... I'm here. Fsccr99: Sept/97 is the interview. i just found it. Fsccr99: hey Jeff. SpidWeb: I'm just wrapping up a chat in another place. SpidWeb: Just 1 minute? Fsccr99: Ok AFL Rod: no problem. this is the "milling around time" JavierM802: Hello everyone!!!! Suruga528: Maybe the Nietzsche references were too much.. Well, that and the Special flag errors.. Golum1: ::jumps with delight:: Suruga528: Greets, Jav baby. JavierM802: ::smacks Suruga:: Golum1: nietzsche? Suruga528: German philosopher.. Golum1: oh Fsccr99: man do you all have to use big words. Why couldn't you just say german Philosopher? Golum1: Blades editor is really annoying, sorry jeff Suruga528: Because Nietzche is a specific person, who happens to be a German philosopher.. Fsccr99: HaHa AFL Rod: evening Javier JavierM802: Hey Rod. Golum1: what about the philosopher Locke? Suruga528: Greets Grace.. BGraceFild: Hello JavierM802: Hello Grace. AFC Kryten: Not to be confused with the treasure hunter Locke. AFC Kryten: Hi Grace. SpidWeb: OK. Suruga528: Well, I didn't have any references to him.. :-) SpidWeb: I am not officially here. Golum1: Locke and Terra were so cute JavierM802: Kryten, already making refs from FF6??? :) CamoBoy: are we talking philosophers or games ;-) SpidWeb: This is all being typed by a cunning artificial intelligence. Fsccr99: There is a Force Greater than the Evil in the universe: PROCRASTINATION--Jeff Vogel 1997 JavierM802: It's getting to you.....join the dark side Kryten...... Golum1: He's not a thief, a TREASURE HUNTER Golum1: FF6/3 is one of my three fave rpgs JavierM802: Call him a thief and hell rip your lungs out. Golum1: really....sheesh BGraceFild: So I guess asking for your autograph is out of the question, Jeff? :) Golum1: he was sensitive though JavierM802: FF6 is my favorite of all time. Suruga528: Even if it's not really an RPG.. :-) AFC Kryten: (Sure, I'm making references to it, just see my profile.) SpidWeb: I am not Jeff. SpidWeb: I am a cunning artificial intelligence. Fsccr99: Did any of you all ever play QUEST 64? Can they really classify that as an RPG? JavierM802: Kryten, have you beaten it yet? SpidWeb: Whos name is also Jeff. Golum1: love the quote CamoBoy: quest 64 is horrible BGraceFild: ::::makes note of newly acquired fact that Jeff is bonkers:::::: Suruga528: You know, I would hope that cunning artificial intelligences would progress beyond AFC Kryten: No, I was out of town for the last 9 days, Javier. Fsccr99: You can say that again Camo. AFL Rod: don't you have to be to be a programmer? SpidWeb: "Jeff"? Who is this "Jeff"? Golum1: that's what happens when you continually program Suruga528: repeating themselves mechanicaly.. BGraceFild: Welcome back, Q, we missed you JavierM802: Well I was thinking you MIGHT have beaten it earlier, well anyway, Kefka says something that JavierM802: makes MUCH more sense in the end. AFL Rod: greets CanWe AFC Kryten: Did I miss anything interesting in last week's chats? CanWeCUP: What Escape Velocity plug-in has the most new ships for the Rebels and Confeds that are Golum1: i heard they are releasing FF 4,5 and 6 here CanWeCUP: stornger than the cruisers JavierM802: Golum, Square decided not to. Suruga528: But then.. BGraceFild: Q - yeah, the fact that I rented Red Dwarf and was all anxious to talk to you but you (sob) BGraceFild: werent there Golum1: i heard they did at the squaresoftfan.com website AFC Kryten: Oh! Did you enjoy it? BGraceFild: I loved it!!!! CanWeCUP: What Escape Velocity plug-in has the most new ships for the Rebels and Confeds that are Golum1: i think thats the address CanWeCUP: stronger than the cruisers? AFL Rod: evening user User877845: hi folks JavierM802: Golum, rpgamer.com quoted square about their decision. AFC Kryten: Which one(s) did you get? JavierM802: It's old news actually. Golum1: they'll eventually bring it over, they would be stupid not to BGraceFild: The first one was about them finding out they were really playing a computer game for Fsccr99: Hey Jeff, What did you use to program Exile 1,2 ,3 and Nethergate? BGraceFild: four years, this confused me since it was the first one I saw SpidWeb: My name is Tim Phillips, president of Fantasoft, and I'm not wearing any pants. JavierM802: Well it's not like you can't already play it now.....untranslated :) AFL Rod: ** Protocol is on. Please type ? to ask a question and wait to be called to ask your question. BGraceFild: lol!!!! CanWeCUP: ? Golum1: ? Fsccr99: ? CamoBoy: :-) CamoBoy: me either AFL Rod: Tonite our guest is Jeff Vogel of Spiderweb Software CanWeCUP: FILEZ AFL Rod: or a good imiatation of him User877845: ? AFL Rod: He created the excellent Exile series as well as the game we will talk about tonite - Nethergate CamoBoy: ? AFL Rod: GA CanWe BGraceFild: He left AFL Rod: Golum1 , Go Ahead Golum1: Why is there a town number limitation in the BOE editor? GuitarEr1c: ? Golum1: Only 8 towns? SpidWeb: My name is Jeff Vogel. You may best know me from my character in the popular TV show Xena. SpidWeb: Town number? SpidWeb: There can be an awful lot of them Up to 200. Golum1: Yes, when i try to make more than 8 outdoor towns, it says no and slaps me SpidWeb: If you can't make more, perhaps you should E-mail me. JavierM802: Spid, I have a question concerning the hidden messages with Xena and her friend :) SpidWeb: GA GuitarEr1c: ? AFL Rod: Fsccr99 , Go Ahead Fsccr99: Jeff what did you use to program Exile 1,2,3 and Netheragte? SpidWeb: CodeWarrior! Fsccr99: Really? Golum1: It's a limitation Jeff, you programmed it SpidWeb: The one TRUE development environment. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: CamoBoy , Go Ahead CamoBoy: what is your inspiration for your storylines? Fsccr99: ? Golum1: ? SpidWeb: I get ideas from, well, everywhere. FX Wzrd: ? SpidWeb: For example, I got a lot of inspiration for Nethergate from watching I, Claudius. SpidWeb: Repeatedly. GuitarEr1c: ? SpidWeb: I get ideas from plays. SpidWeb: Movies. SpidWeb: Daily reading of the New York Times. SpidWeb: It's all part of my lifelong quest to SpidWeb: make a game as cool as Deer Hunter. SpidWeb: GA RayDunakin: Howdy AFL Rod: Fsccr99 , Go Ahead BGraceFild: ? Fsccr99: How long did it take you to make the games?(If you can't tell i am into programing). MorningSon: ? SpidWeb: Each of my games took about a year of dedicated work, building on the code that came before. Fsccr99: What about the graphics? SpidWeb: For Nethergate, there was a year before that of thinking, planning, and research. JavierM802: Hello Mi Amor. SpidWeb: The graphics were made in the same time period as the game. Fsccr99: ok thanx XLROCKx: ello baby\ SpidWeb: I don't know how much time Andrew Hunder spent making the cool icons for Nethergate. SpidWeb: Probably quite a lot. User877845: ? SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: Golum1 , Go Ahead GuitarEr1c: What's it like making games for the mac? There is definetely a smaller market. Golum1: Do you ever plan on expanding your staff? GuitarEr1c: sorry SpidWeb: Right now, we have 2 full-timers. Fsccr99: ? SpidWeb: I think that that will probably be it for a while. Golum1: should hire more people CamoBoy: like me SpidWeb: I don't see a direction I want to expand that would require more people. SpidWeb: If I need more stuff done, I get a freelancers. AFL Rod: please observe protocol folks Golum1: that's cool, thanks SpidWeb: We used, like, 6 freelancers while making Nethergate. SpidWeb: We're a small operation. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: FX Wzrd , Go Ahead FX Wzrd: What do you make you graphics in? SpidWeb: I don't know what my artists use, though I know a lot of Nethergate icons were made SpidWeb: in KPT Bryce. SpidWeb: We mainly assembled them in Photoshop, DeBabelizer, and Clarisworks. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: GuitarEr1c , Go Ahead GuitarEr1c: What's it like making games for the mac? There is definetely a smaller market. :-( SpidWeb: Smaller market, but less competition. GuitarEr1c: :-) CamoBoy: ? SpidWeb: And, for me, it's easier to develop for the Mac. FX Wzrd: ? SpidWeb: Developing for both platforms was worked VERY well for us. SpidWeb: And, of course, all of our games are Mac-first. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: BGraceFild , Go Ahead BGraceFild: Would you be willing to attempt to write another RPG generator like Blades but with more BGraceFild: user-specified variables? A company called Beenox is attempting it but you would do it BGraceFild: better :) SpidWeb: Developing a scenario editor has been an exquisitely painful experience. SpidWeb: It was interesting to do once, SpidWeb: But I think we'd do better and provide people with more fun by just writing games. SpidWeb: Plus, if you think the Blades editor is tough to udnerstand, the Nethergate editor is a SpidWeb: nightmare. A much more complicated environment. SpidWeb: We'll be leaving the editor thing alone for a while. BGraceFild: Dang, guess that means I have to learn how to program - thanks SpidWeb: Plus, the simple truth, and I hope Beenox remembers this, SpidWeb: is that a lot more people want to play games than to write them. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: MorningSon , Go Ahead GuitarEr1c: ? MorningSon: \What was the first video game that really...did it for you, and why? ;') SpidWeb: I really want to start talking in my flawless Beavis and Butthead imitation now, SpidWeb: but I will refrain. SpidWeb: The answer to your question is: "Eamon." Golum1: ? SpidWeb: Ah, Eamon, lost in the mists of time. SpidWeb: It was a very violent freeware all-text roleplaying game for the Apple II. SpidWeb: Simple, but enchanting. BOBOBALLS2: spidweb i love your games SpidWeb: Hmm. There is also Wizardry. SpidWeb: Someone has to. SpidWeb: Wizardry completely enchanted me. SpidWeb: This was all, of course, like 80 million years ago. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: User877845 , Go Ahead User877845: Hi Jeff. Your Exile games are the most fun realistic adventure games I've ever played! SpidWeb: Oh. SpidWeb: Thanks. User877845: I love not having to leave my room for days at a time!. User877845: Are the scenarios entered in your contest available on CDRom? SpidWeb: Not yet. SpidWeb: Soon. User877845: Excellent BGraceFild: ...no!... SpidWeb: As soon as we get around to it, we're planning to have a $10 CD with all our demos, SpidWeb: all Blades scenarios, SpidWeb: and whatever neat stuff we find around to put on it. User877845: Well, thanks I'm glad someone is making decent mac games! SpidWeb: BGraceFild, why not? BGraceFild: I'd have to go back and fix that one bug before it went out to anyone else... SpidWeb: (hee hee) SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: Fsccr99 , Go Ahead User877845: Why is Nethergate only for PPC? BGraceFild: Just warn me, okay? Fsccr99: Are you planning on Making a Nethergate 2? Or are you going to make small scenarios, like SpidWeb: Consider yourself warned. BOBOBALLS2: spidweb what do you have to have to work for you?? Fsccr99: you did instead of making an exile IV SpidWeb: Hey, kids! Protocol! SpidWeb: Fsccr99, we probably MorningSon: ? SpidWeb: won't do anything like Nethergate II anytime soon. SpidWeb: Though we have ideas for it. SpidWeb: Our next game will be entirely different. Fsccr99: Ok so you will just leave it alone for a while? SpidWeb: Well not so entirely different, I suppose. SpidWeb: GA RoswellKid: ? Fsccr99: ? AFL Rod: CamoBoy , Go Ahead CamoBoy: you already answered it, sorry AFL Rod: FX Wzrd , Go Ahead FX Wzrd: How long did it take you to learn CodeWarrior? Have you ever used FutureBasic, And if you FX Wzrd: have what would you recomend(FutuerBasic Or CodeWarrior? FX Wzrd: ) SpidWeb: CodeWarrior ... not long. But remember, that was after SpidWeb: like 15 years of programming various things. So I had some SpidWeb: background. FX Wzrd: ok BGraceFild: ? SpidWeb: It only took me a few days to write the basic Exile scenario editor in CodeWarrior. FX Wzrd: ok SpidWeb: I can't recommend CW highly enough, by the way. SpidWeb: It's a great program. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: GuitarEr1c , Go Ahead FX Wzrd: ok thanx GuitarEr1c: What do you think of Virtual Game Station? Do you think it will help the macintosh game GuitarEr1c: scene? BOBOBALLS2: ? SpidWeb: Now, I'm going to go out on a limb here. GuitarEr1c: ok SpidWeb: The Virtual Game Station is $50. SpidWeb: I've seen this special device for sale which can play ALL Playstation games, SpidWeb: at full speed with no problems, and SpidWeb: it's only $70 more. GuitarEr1c: lol SpidWeb: It's called a Playstation. FX Wzrd: ? GuitarEr1c: hee hee CamoBoy: lol GuitarEr1c: thanks dude SpidWeb: The appeal of the VGS, I'm afraid, escapes me. GuitarEr1c: my feelings exactly GuitarEr1c: i own one anyway GuitarEr1c: a psx CamoBoy: ? SpidWeb: It's neat, but most people who really want PlayStation games already have a SpidWeb: Playstaion. SpidWeb: On the other hand, SpidWeb: as a work of software engineering, SpidWeb: the VGS leaves me in awe. SpidWeb: The people at Connectix are geniuses. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: Golum1 , Go Ahead Golum1: Does endless programming mess with your mind? The cows are back! Aiiee! Golum1: Stupid eh? SpidWeb: Kids, this is what too much percodan does to you. Golum1: thanks SpidWeb: Avoid this tragic example. SpidWeb: GA Golum1: hey! AFL Rod: RoswellKid , Go Ahead Golum1: wait! RoswellKid: Do you think this is the best game in the series? Golum1: ? SpidWeb: Nethergate is more of a stand alone game. RoswellKid: ok SpidWeb: It is easily the game I'm most proudest of. SpidWeb: I believe it's genuinely cool. RoswellKid: ok User877845: ? SpidWeb: It's the only one of my games I've ever written which I actually played afterwards. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: Fsccr99 , Go Ahead Fsccr99: What would you say gave you the IDEA for the EXILE series. And was you pet spider in Fsccr99: Nethergate? I couldn't find it. SpidWeb: I could say that I was inspired by Robert Silverberg's RoswellKid: ? GuitarEr1c: ? SpidWeb: classic short story Hawksbill Station and Julian May's Fsccr99: Oh SpidWeb: not terribly good novels. Fsccr99: So you get your IDEAS from books? SpidWeb: But that would be admitting to borrowing ideas from others. SpidWeb: :-) Fsccr99: haha SpidWeb: I get my ideas from everywhere. SpidWeb: Movies. Plays. Fsccr99: The spider? SpidWeb: Daily reading of the New York Times. SpidWeb: And, of course, my own brain. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: BGraceFild , Go Ahead BGraceFild: What is your favorite part to write? plot? dialogue? inventing methods of warfare? BGraceFild: game balance? Fsccr99: ? BOBOBALLS2: ? BOBOBALLS2: ? BOBOBALLS2: / BOBOBALLS2: ? SpidWeb: Hmmm. I'm afraid that this answer is going to come out sounding snide. AFC Kryten: Only one ? is necessary. SpidWeb: Forgive me. I don't mean it to sound that way. SpidWeb: To say that I have a favorite part to write, SpidWeb: implies that there is a part of it I enjoy writing. SpidWeb: Once, I enjoyed writing games. SpidWeb: Now, it's a job. BGraceFild: egad Fsccr99: ? SpidWeb: I sometimes have fun programming the engine. SpidWeb: But most of the time it's a dreadful thing I do to pay for the house. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: BOBOBALLS2 , Go Ahead BOBOBALLS2: spidweb what do you have to do to get a job in your company? SpidWeb: Uhhh ... SpidWeb: Kidnap my wife and then disguise yourself as her very convincingly.\ SpidWeb: GA BOBOBALLS2: ok AFL Rod: FX Wzrd , Go Ahead FX Wzrd: I heard that Playstation Games are written in C does this mean you could make a game for FX Wzrd: Playstation? And if so will you? SpidWeb: Wow. CodeWarrior and Metrowerks in general are so amazing. SpidWeb: They make a Playstation compiler and an N64 compiler. FX Wzrd: They do? SpidWeb: However, to actually write a Playstation game, FX Wzrd: Cool SpidWeb: the nice people at Sony have to let you. SpidWeb: And they would never give permission to a tiny operation like ours. SpidWeb: GA Golum1: not necessarily AFL Rod: CamoBoy , Go Ahead CamoBoy: if you think vgs isn't what the mac needs, what do you think it does need to get into . . . CamoBoy: the gaming mainstream, do you think you have done your part? MorningSon: ? SpidWeb: Hmmm. SpidWeb: If by the gaming mainstream, you mean getting a lot of good popular games, SpidWeb: it's already sort of getting there. SpidWeb: We're really a small operation with a niche market. SpidWeb: I don't think what we do has much to do with how well the Mac does SpidWeb: in general. Golum1: don't give me nethergate, thanks, see ya everyone! SpidWeb: I think of all of us shareware developers as pleasant SpidWeb: hard-working basement dwellers. SpidWeb: Nice and helpful, SpidWeb: but not extremely important, SpidWeb: not in a Quake III sort of way. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: Golum1 , Go Ahead AFL Rod: User877845 , Go Ahead SpidWeb: I think he's disappeared. User877845: Does Nethergate run on an '040 processor ? BOBOBALLS2: ? SpidWeb: Nope. PowerPC only. SpidWeb: It's a fairly demanding game. B5 RobMan: ? User877845: Time for a new mac! SpidWeb: It really wouldn't work on a non-PowerPC. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: RoswellKid , Go Ahead RoswellKid: How long did it take you to program the game? Suruga528: ? SpidWeb: After the initial year of design, research and thought, about a year. RoswellKid: ok SpidWeb: Most of the work goes into writing the dialogue and text and crafting the TS TomDale: ? SpidWeb: scenario. ABLIN311: ? SpidWeb: GA RoswellKid: ? AFL Rod: GuitarEr1c , Go Ahead GuitarEr1c: What do you think of Steve Job's efforts at Apple? I personally think he is a genius. Has GuitarEr1c: his renewed efforts helped out the Macintosh game development arena? SpidWeb: I'm going to sound really dumb here. SpidWeb: I have no idea whatsoever. GuitarEr1c: lol SpidWeb: I don't pay attention to any of that. GuitarEr1c: keep on making great games! SpidWeb: I just write my little games in my private little basement world. SpidWeb: All I pay attention to is apple's current market share and profit levels. GuitarEr1c: and i thank u for it SpidWeb: So right now, I'm happy. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: Fsccr99 , Go Ahead Fsccr99: Where is the Giant Intelligent Friednly Talking Spider(GIFTS) in nethergate? I cant find it. SpidWeb: A little way north of Shadow Valley Fort. SpidWeb: GA Fsccr99: Thanx AFL Rod: BOBOBALLS2 , Go Ahead BOBOBALLS2: how could I be a part of your next game??? CamoBoy: ? Fsccr99: ? SpidWeb: Good question. MorningSon: buy it SpidWeb: You see, when I create a game, I try SpidWeb: to have the characters, the plot, the whole adventure SpidWeb: summarize and represent the whole of human SpidWeb: experience. So yes, you will be in my SpidWeb: next game, because, in a sense, SpidWeb: we will ALL be in my next game. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: B5 RobMan , Go Ahead B5 RobMan: What's the toughest part of creating a shareware game? SpidWeb: My wife just said "carry through." RayDunakin: ? SpidWeb: She is right, although perhaps I SpidWeb: should explain what she means. SpidWeb: It's easy to start a game. SpidWeb: It's easy to write most of it. SpidWeb: But then, when it's mostly done, you awlways hit this SpidWeb: wall. Where it will take a huge effort tofinish it. SpidWeb: Getting past that hurdle, gritting your teeth, and finishing the game when there's SpidWeb: nothing you'd loathe more than working on it more, SpidWeb: is the hardest thing about making a shareware game. User877845: hehe BGraceFild: ? B5 RobMan: Thanx SpidWeb: Many, many promising games hit that barrier, and then disappear for a few words. SpidWeb: Or forever. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: Suruga528 , Go Ahead Suruga528: In lieu of paying the shareware fee, can I just erect a shrine to the GIFTS in my back yard Suruga528: as registration? SpidWeb: Sorry. "for a few years." SpidWeb: Excellent question. Suruga528: You know, sudent option.. SpidWeb: Let me think about it. Suruga528: *student SpidWeb: ... SpidWeb: No. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: TS TomDale , Go Ahead Suruga528: Darn.. TS TomDale: Where did you learn to program? A book? A website? What would you suggest I begin programmin TS TomDale: g in? SpidWeb: I learned to program in junior high, taking summer classes and self-teaching in C. SpidWeb: For someone starting now, I suggest buying a lot of books. SpidWeb: The Dummies books are pretty good. SpidWeb: Also get a compiler. TS TomDale: ok SpidWeb: Then spend MANY hours. SpidWeb: There is now other way. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: ABLIN311 , Go Ahead ABLIN311: would you say there is a viable profit margin for aspiring shareware developers? whats your ABLIN311: experience? SpidWeb: Definitely. SpidWeb: If you work very hard, design a very solid product, SpidWeb: and work hard promoting it, shareware SpidWeb: can make a lot of money. SpidWeb: It's not a get rich quick plan, though. SpidWeb: You really have to work to get it together. SpidWeb: GA ABLIN311: ? AFL Rod: RoswellKid , Go Ahead RoswellKid: Do you think Nethergate is worth buying? SpidWeb: Yes. Yes it is. AFL Rod: absolutely AFL Rod: CamoBoy , Go Ahead SpidWeb: The only real question is whether it's worth buying only once. CamoBoy: I don't want to be rude , but about how much do you expect to make off of Nethergate? RoswellKid: ok MorningSon: ? SpidWeb: I, personally, would buy 3 copies. One for me, SpidWeb: one for my car, SpidWeb: and one for the safe-deposit box. SpidWeb: GA RoswellKid: lol AFL Rod: Fsccr99 , Go Ahead Fsccr99: Ok you say the engine was the funnest part about making the games, If so did you use the SpidWeb: Oh. Sorry. CamoBoy. Fsccr99: same enigne for all the exile games, or were the so fun youcreated new ones? CamoBoy: :-) SpidWeb: I expect it to do pretty well, although I don't like to say exactly how much I sell. CamoBoy: ok, sorry for asking SpidWeb: For each game, I expended the engine of the previous game. SpidWeb: I pick the part that stinks the most, SpidWeb: and rewrite it. Fsccr99: ? SpidWeb: In the next game, I have a lot of little things I want to rewrite. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: RayDunakin , Go Ahead RayDunakin: Do you have any other advice for shareware authors? SpidWeb: Wow. Where to begin. SpidWeb: I have a section on my web site (http://www.spidweb.com) with a lot of things SpidWeb: I've written about writing shareware. SpidWeb: Two main pieces of advice: KEROI: ! SpidWeb: i. Remember that you have to write something good enough that people will pay for it. RayDunakin: heh SpidWeb: ii. Remember that, once it's written, you need to work at promoting it. SpidWeb: Like, for example, doing chats. :-) SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: GA Keroi, your comment KEROI: Let me type... KEROI: For you aspiring programmers: I recommend downloading the archives of messagesf KEROI: from the game programmer boards. Lots of great info, from people like Andrew Welch, etc. SpidWeb: What's the keyword? KEROI: Forget which library. KEROI: You should be able to search for them....if searching is fixed;) AFL Rod: probably MDV AFL Rod: BGraceFild , Go Ahead BGraceFild: Since you pay freelancers for art and I don't know what else, do you have any interest in RoswellKid: ? BGraceFild: hiring freelance writers for plot and dialogue? :) SpidWeb: Probably not. CamoBoy: ? SpidWeb: It would be really hard integrating something like that. SpidWeb: As much as I don't like writing, SpidWeb: I don't trust others to do it for me. SpidWeb: I gues I've made my own Hell that way. :-) SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: RoswellKid's question is 3rd in Queue and will be the last before Jeff gives away nethergate AFL Rod: MorningSon , Go Ahead AFL Rod: so please hold further ? AFL Rod: MorningSon - your question please MorningSon: IWhat does the future have in store for mac games? SpidWeb: Hopefully more of them. AFL Rod: ::yes:: SpidWeb: A lot of really good ones were announced lately, SpidWeb: although they might not all see the light of day. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: Fsccr99 , Go Ahead Fsccr99: Do you have a personal favorite out of all your games? BOBOBALLS2: ? SpidWeb: I think that my best work has been Nethergate. B5 RobMan: ? Fsccr99: bravo I think so too. SpidWeb: Exile III has been my most successful, though that will probably change SpidWeb: with Nethergate. SpidWeb: In terms of scenario design, my favorite thing DPokeFreak: ? SpidWeb: has been A Small Rebellion in Blades of Exile. Fsccr99: ok, Thanx SpidWeb: I am seriously proud of that scenario. SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: NO more questions until after the giveaway AFL Rod: RoswellKid , Go Ahead RoswellKid: What is the story line of the game? AFL Rod: Roswell has the last question. SpidWeb: Well, it's like this. SpidWeb: It takes place in this remote valley in ancient England. RoswellKid: ok SpidWeb: There are still a few shreds of magic alive there. SpidWeb: A group of Celts (ancient tribesman) are trying to use it. SpidWeb: to free themselves of their Roman oppressors. SpidWeb: And a group of Romans are trying to stop them. SpidWeb: You can choose which side to play, and thus see the storyline from both sides. SpidWeb: It's pretty neat. RoswellKid: thats neat SpidWeb: And the game is very different for both sides. RoswellKid: ok SpidWeb: For one side, one town may be a friendly place where you can get lots of help. SpidWeb: And for the other side it's a place where you have to fight your way through. YANKS2302: does the iMAC play PC games? SpidWeb: GA AFL Rod: OK, hold on for a second RoswellKid: ok CamoBoy: time to win a game! TS TomDale: this whole giveaway thing is a scam TS TomDale: I never did get my Postal t-shirt MorningSon: Fried rice? Beef or Pork? Fsccr99: Yeah, I hope I win. BOBOBALLS2: me too DPokeFreak: postal t-shirt? TS TomDale: yes FX Wzrd: Tom blew his chance right there Fsccr99: TS Tom Dale it is top true. Why would rod and SpidWeb lie to us? MorningSon: Seriously...what do we have to do to get more game titles? JavierM802: Tom, did you complain to RWS? AFL Rod: OK, Jeff perfers we roll the dice TS TomDale: RWS? BOBOBALLS2: ok TS TomDale: h RoswellKid: what??? TS TomDale: oh TS TomDale: I mean Trekker47: Heh - used up all the trivia on MGL :) KEROI: I'm rolling for fun. AFL Rod: Rolling dice is easy to do AFL Rod: Just type //roll on a separate line. AFL Rod: Only Roll Once or you will be disqualified. Also wait until I say GO before you roll. High roll AFL Rod: wins. AFL Rod: Ties will be rolled off between the previous High rollers. AFL Rod: æ AFL Rod: Any Questions? MorningSon: They can sell all the imacs they want ...with no games it's lame TS TomDale: AOL never shopped it DPokeFreak: rolls who gets highest right? BGraceFild: <-not rolling, already won it ... OnlineHost: Fsccr99 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 4 OnlineHost: Smear83 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 2 6 OnlineHost: MorningSon rolled 2 6-sided dice: 3 2 AFL Rod: STOP OnlineHost: FX Wzrd rolled 2 6-sided dice: 6 3 OnlineHost: BOBOBALLS2 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 6 2 OnlineHost: JavierM802 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 6 Trekker47: He didn't say go yet Trekker47: Seesh OnlineHost: RoswellKid rolled 2 6-sided dice: 1 4 OnlineHost: SpidWeb rolled 2 6-sided dice: 2 3 AFL Rod: read the instructions FX Wzrd: ooops AFL Rod: STOP Trekker47: Shush BOBOBALLS2: stop!! AFL Rod: STOP OnlineHost: User877845 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 2 5 OnlineHost: ABLIN311 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 3 DPokeFreak: he didn't say go AFL Rod: STOP Smear83: STOP!! Trekker47: Well, that's a whole lot of disqualifications... Smear83: :-) Fsccr99: yep DPokeFreak: geez MorningSon: do over AFL Rod: helps if one reads RoswellKid: sorry DPokeFreak: anyone who rolls got elimanated! more chances for me! AFL Rod: OK, do not roll until I say so FX Wzrd: sorry :-( YANKS2302: DOES THE iMAC PLAY PC GAMES? AFL Rod: Roll ONCE only Fsccr99: Sorry AFL Rod: READY AFL Rod: SET AFL Rod: GO OnlineHost: BOBOBALLS2 rolled 2 999-sided dice: 353 8 AFC Kryten: YANKS--protocol is on, please hold your questions. OnlineHost: FX Wzrd rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 3 OnlineHost: TS TomDale rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 1 OnlineHost: Smear83 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 1 2 OnlineHost: Suruga528 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 1 OnlineHost: CamoBoy rolled 2 6-sided dice: 6 2 OnlineHost: MorningSon rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 5 OnlineHost: Dub Jay rolled 2 6-sided dice: 4 6 OnlineHost: DPokeFreak rolled 2 6-sided dice: 1 2 OnlineHost: Fsccr99 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 5 OnlineHost: RoswellKid rolled 2 6-sided dice: 4 2 OnlineHost: Trekker47 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 3 5 OnlineHost: Worthy199 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 1 3 OnlineHost: ABLIN311 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 4 6 TS TomDale: BAH!!! OnlineHost: MrtinMouse rolled 2 6-sided dice: 4 1 OnlineHost: JavierM802 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 6 6 AFC Kryten: 999-sided dice don't count. OnlineHost: TS TomDale rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 6 SpidWeb: \\roll OnlineHost: KEROI rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 1 OnlineHost: User877845 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 6 3 OnlineHost: SpidWeb rolled 2 6-sided dice: 2 6 OnlineHost: B5 RobMan rolled 2 6-sided dice: 6 3 OnlineHost: BOBOBALLS2 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 6 4 KEROI: Smack, way to go Jav;) AFC Kryten: Nice roll, Javier. JavierM802: Whoa!!!!! JavierM802: I won!!!!!!!! AFL Rod: looks like we have a winner Fsccr99: Jav you always get the highest score. Why? AFL Rod: Congrats Javier BGraceFild: Congrats Javier baby OnlineHost: TS TomDale rolled 2 6-sided dice: 2 5 CamoBoy: oh man OnlineHost: BOBOBALLS2 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 4 4 OnlineHost: TS TomDale rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 5 User877845: a hacker? CamoBoy: congrats javier OnlineHost: TS TomDale rolled 2 6-sided dice: 2 4 JavierM802: Dude, an I usually NEVER win at these stupid things!!! RoswellKid: I realy wanted that game SpidWeb: E-mail me with your address, Javier, and I'll send you your copy. Trekker47: Heh... and you got a 5 earlier TS TomDale: bah Suruga528: Congrats, Jav baby. Smear83: Its over? darn... OnlineHost: ABLIN311 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 6 1 OnlineHost: SpidWeb rolled 2 6-sided dice: 2 1 BOBOBALLS2: what i won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JavierM802: ::smacks Surug and glares at Grace:: MrtinMouse: Good job, Jav baby. OnlineHost: User877845 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 3 5 Trekker47: I've gotta figure out how to hack these dice rolls :P OnlineHost: RoswellKid rolled 2 6-sided dice: 4 1 AFL Rod: the chat log will be posted tomorrow FX Wzrd: wouln'yt it be as easy to make it roll a large set of dice BOBOBALLS2: i gor 600 something!!!!!!!! JavierM802: Thank you everyone. TS TomDale: we want another one! DPokeFreak: dang I bad at rolling Smear83: NO! OnlineHost: SpidWeb rolled 2 6-sided dice: 2 1 OnlineHost: User877845 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 2 4 OnlineHost: BOBOBALLS2 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 1 1 OnlineHost: FX Wzrd rolled 2 10-sided dice: 3 2 OnlineHost: RoswellKid rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 2 MorningSon: MorigSon rolled 2 6-sided dice: 6 6 OnlineHost: BOBOBALLS2 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 3 5 Trekker47: Stop the rolling already DPokeFreak: I never get high rolls OnlineHost: User877845 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 4 5 OnlineHost: BOBOBALLS2 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 2 3 OnlineHost: RoswellKid rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 3 RayDunakin: stop OnlineHost: BOBOBALLS2 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 2 5 OnlineHost: Fsccr99 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 3 6 KEROI: Anyone can get over 600 if they roll a barrel of dice. User877845: these dice suck CamoBoy: how about giving the rest of us a discount? SpidWeb: I can't remember how to roll different sides of dice. Smear83: ::laughs:: Ah, the chaos! ABLIN311: is Jeff trying to win his own game? :) B5 RobMan: And the nutcases have moved in SpidWeb: Somebody tell me? OnlineHost: Fsccr99 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 4 MorningSon: BIng bing bing FX Wzrd: keyword dice OnlineHost: RoswellKid rolled 2 6-sided dice: 1 3 DPokeFreak: yeah give discounts! OnlineHost: Fsccr99 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 2 6 User877845: best 2 out of 3 BOBOBALLS2: spidweb how come i didn't win???? Smear83: Goodbye! CamoBoy: PLEASE! FX Wzrd: or //roll -sides## -dice## AFL Rod: You know why BoboBALL B5 RobMan: Bobo, because Jav got 6, 6 BOBOBALLS2: no i don't OnlineHost: RoswellKid rolled 2 6-sided dice: 1 3 OnlineHost: SpidWeb rolled 2 6-sided dice: 3 6 AFL Rod: because the instructions said use //roll OnlineHost: RoswellKid rolled 2 6-sided dice: 2 1 MorningSon: the mark of the beast B5 RobMan: Is my TV Remote in here somewhere? OnlineHost: RoswellKid rolled 2 6-sided dice: 1 6 OnlineHost: BOBOBALLS2 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 4 2 OnlineHost: SpidWeb rolled 3 90-sided dice: 53 38 46 OnlineHost: RoswellKid rolled 2 6-sided dice: 6 1 B5 RobMan: Jeff, did you take it? OnlineHost: User877845 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 5 4 OnlineHost: SpidWeb rolled 15 99-sided dice: 22 52 55 49 63 76 19 94 86 73 20 24 10 99 23 MorningSon: well not THE beast but certainly a beast OnlineHost: User877845 rolled 2 6-sided dice: 6 4 BOBOBALLS2: aol://4344:613.silly.3480876.505766193 BOBOBALLS2: aol://4344:613.silly.3480876.505766193aol://4344:613.silly.3480876.505766193 BOBOBALLS2: aol://4344:613.silly.3480876.505766193aol://4344:613.silly.3480876.505766193 OnlineHost: Fsccr99 rolled 2 99-sided dice: 80 85 AFC Kryten: Stop. MorningSon: 9 RayDunakin: BTW, the color version of Twisted is finally going to beta this weekend! AFL Rod: please stop the scroll KEROI: Cool Ray SpidWeb: Thank you all very much! DPokeFreak: what's Twisted? SpidWeb: Have a great weekend! OnlineHost: RoswellKid rolled 15 6-sided dice: 6 5 1 6 2 6 2 3 5 1 6 3 4 3 6 CamoBoy: thank you BGraceFild: Thanks for coming, Jeff. AFL Rod: THANK YOU Jeff ABLIN311: is Jeff going to be available for more questions? Fsccr99: See you later JEFF! Dub Jay: So, got any more chats to go to tonight, Jeff? :) KEROI: Ray's game. BOBOBALLS2: afc how do i become a afc or a afl??? AFC Kryten: Thanks for coming, Jeff. That was fun. SpidWeb: And let me conclude by saying MorningSon: Thankyou for wring for tha Mac JavierM802: Tank you so much Jeff!!!!!! AFL Rod: Great chat - as always with you Suruga528: Thanks, Jeff.. OnlineHost: SpidWeb rolled 15 84-sided dice: 65 29 63 50 21 31 81 77 80 20 50 55 75 63 19 RoswellKid: 'you too BOBOBALLS2: yea?!?! BOBOBALLS2: ?@! BOBOBALLS2: ?@ BOBOBALLS2: ?! B5 RobMan: Jeff, may I please have my TV Remote back?